Stansbury refuses to sign pro-Israel resolution amid Hamas terrorist attacks

Far-left U.S. Rep. Melanie Stansbury is reportedly the only member of New Mexico’s U.S. House delegation not signing a bipartisan resolution condemning Hamas’ actions in its vicious attack against Israel. The violent terrorist act has led to thousands killed and countless injured.

The bipartisan proposal co-sponsored by U.S. Reps Michael McCaul (R-TX) and Gregory Meeks (D-NY) states that the U.S. House “stands with Israel as it defends itself against the barbaric war launched by Hamas and other terrorists,” “reaffirms Israel’s right to self-defense,” and “condemns Hamas’ brutal war against Israel,” while calling on other countries to do the same.

According to reports, 13 U.S. House members are not signing the resolution, including New Mexico’s First Congressional District Rep. Melanie Stansbury, a Democrat.

Others refusing to stand by Israel — all Democrats — include Reps. Jamaal Bowman of New York, Cori Bush of Missouri, André Carson of Indiana, Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania, Gwen Moore of Wisconsin, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts, Delia Ramirez of Illinois,
Bennie Thompson of Mississippi and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan.

Although Stansbury wrote, “I stand with the people of Israel days after the attack on Israel,” it is unclear why she is refusing to sign the letter along with over 400 of her colleagues, Republicans and Democrats.

As of Monday, October 16, 2023, Stansbury was confirmed to have finally signed the resolution, according to Alex Ross of the Roswell Daily Record.


53 thoughts on “Stansbury refuses to sign pro-Israel resolution amid Hamas terrorist attacks”

  1. Three are Muslims: André Carson of Indiana, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan; and one, Jamaal Bowman of New York, can’t read.

    1. William George Norris

      Peter, I’m the total opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to social issues concerning the Squad but when it comes to the Israeli Palestinian issue they are correct. As they say a broken clock is right two times a day. The Palestinian side never gets aired in the media due to the influence of the powerful Israeli lobby AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee)

      1. We must live on different planets. All I ever hear is the Palestinian side. This should interest you:

        I was unaware that “true Catholics” rejected Israel for religious reasons. Muslims do because they reject Judaism AND Christianity for religious reasons. Pope Francis should have listened to Benedict and John Paul II.

        As an aside, the Kingdom of Judah, from which the Jews derive their name, was established in 930 BC and was conquered by Muslims 1500 years later. For Muslims to claim Israel is occupying ancient Muslim lands is silly.

        The current conflict is just the latest in a war that the Muslims have been waging against us infidels for 1400 years. Whose side are you on?

          1. Here’s a Catholic who has it right:
            Fr. Mario Alexis Portella is a priest of the Cathedral of Santa Maria del Fiore and Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Florence, Italy. He holds a doctorate in canon law and civil law from the Pontifical Lateran University in Rome. He is the author of Islam: Religion of Peace?: The Violation of Natural Rights and Western Cover-Up (Westbow Press, 2018).

            Check out his book. Pope Francis should read it!

        1. William George Norris

          Peter, hears the deal. The current Catholic church that resides in Rome is not Catholic. We hold to the Catholic faith from the first 1000 years of the Church. We are living through the Great Apostasy. There is NO Salvation outside the Catholic Church! We don’t acknowledge France as a Pope because he is a manifest heretic . We say the the last true pope was Innocent II in 1130.
          This current conflict is a power grab by the Jews in order to create Greater Israel (Eretz Israel) so that they can go back to the boundaries under Kings David and Solomon.
          You ask me what side I am on, I am on the side of the true Catholic Church. The Palestinians are the lesser of evils in this conflict. I know that we are living in the final days and Anti-Christ will be arriving on the scene soon, my job as a true Catholic is to make people aware who the main bad guy is: The Apostate Jew. They hate Christ and want to rule the world from Jerusalem once their Third temple is built.
          For your ONLY hope of Salvation Please visit

        2. Jesus was Jewish. They had a hand in his crucifixion. They still don’t believe Jesus was the Messiah. I am a devout Catholic and have attended Church for many years, registered, and attend Bible study.Muslims and Islams believe Muhammad was essentially Jesus Christ and Allah is God. Early readings in the Bible said that they had multiple wives, but now that has changed and you have only one wife.Muslims/Islams can have four wives or more. With the difference of opinions about religion that’s why a lot of these religions disdain against each other.

        3. I read that. It seems to me that the article should be titled “The Selective Information You Should Imbibe if You wish to Totally Mischaracterize the Establishment of the Modern State of Israel”

          1. William George Norris

            I agree with Carlos. That was a total Pro Israel article. Where is mention of the Nakba and the expelling of 700,000 Palestinians?

      2. Thank you. Mr. Norris. In my experience, you are correct. Even suggesting that there might be more than one side to this story runs the risk of having you branded an “anti-semite”, just like the libs like to throw around the “racist” term.

  2. William George Norris

    There are two sides to every story, correct? Why don’t you take the time to look at this 5 minute video of the Israeli Palestine Basics and let me know what you think.

    As a true Catholic, I reject the State of Israel for religious reasons first. Look at what Pius X told Theodore Hertzl when he petitioned the him for a Jewish homeland in Palestine on 1904.

    “We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem – but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people.”

    The current day State of Israel is totally Anti-Christ. It is an abomination of desolation in a place where it does not belong.

    The second reason i condemn the State of Israel is because it is clearly in violation of international law concerning their treatment of the Palestinians. This is a undeniable fact that you can’t ignore. I actually did a video on this topic back in 2010.

    1. Jesus was, and is, a Jew who came to fulfill the law – the law of Moses. You seem to be saying Christianity somehow replaces all that.

      1. William George Norris

        Yes Myles, Christ did fulfill the law and by doing so he created the Catholic Church.

        “Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.” (Mt. 5:17)

        “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.” (Mt. 16:18-19)

        Here it clearly says that Christ established the Catholic Church and made Peter the first Pope.

        1. You er because you know not the scriptures, Jesus was referring to himself, not Peter.
          Plus Peter never made it to Rome, Paul did and he is the Apostle to the gentiles in this church age. Don’t take anyone’s word for it search the scriptures for yourself. You’ll realize you were told a lot of false doctrine, I know I was one also that believed their lie.

          1. William George Norris


            Peter was crucified on Vatican Hill in Rome. The Catholic Church is the one Church that Christ established. You are jut a fallible man, you need to go to a Church that claims infallibility in order to figure out what is true and false doctrine. The Catholic Church is that Church.

    2. Please read Romans 11. Paul explains that God has blinded the eyes of the Jews, because the rest of the world needs to believe in Jesus Christ and receive salvation. The Jews are God’s chosen people and yet Romans 11 states, “God concluded them ALL in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.”

      Romans 10:9 says, “If you confess with your mouth, the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart, that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

  3. People who won’t condemn the beheading of children,rape of women and murder of civilians—–well? What are you a real Christian!?

    1. William George Norris

      Tom, do you condemn the all the atrocities that Jews have done to the Palestinians starting on 1948 with the Nakba. Do you deny that the Israel is in violation of (UN Resolutions 181 and 242) for many years now and that it is truly an apartheid state. Gaza is an OPEN AIRED PRISON and you can not deny this. Do you due diligence!

      1. Hats off to you, Mr. Norris. I suspect that one of the problems here is that some people rely on certain popular talk show hosts for their understanding of history and foreign affairs. Some people can simply not describe for you the difference between conservatism and neo-conservatism, when in fact neo-conservatism shares far more in common with Trotskyism than it does with any sort of authentic conservatism. I find that very few of these folks are even curious enough to be willing to impartially consider delving into the sort of things you are mentioning.

      2. An open aired prison?? The reason the Israelis built a wall was to protect Israelis from terror attacks constantly. There are Arabs, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, all religions living freely in Israel, but the Palestinians place Hamas in government knowing they are terrorists bent on killing Israelis. If they are so persecuted by Israel why doesn’t Egypt let them into their country? Why doesn’t Jordan allow them as refugees? Because they are trouble!! Israel is a sovereign country surrounded by enemies, they have every right and a duty to protect their country and citizens. And when Jesus comes back he will come down at the Mount of Olives and reign from Jeruselem, because the Jews ARE God’s chosen people and as children of God (those that believe Jesus is the son of God, and that died on the cross for our sins, and defeated death) will live with him for eternity. We must never turn our backs on our Jewish brothers an sisters. Instead we must pray that they come to Christ, as we pray for all the unsaved.

        1. William George Norris

          Yes it’s an open aired prison! Dana, have you ever looked at any other media outlet besides Fox News when it comes to Israel! Have you heard of the Nakba in 1948 where the Jews expelled 700,000 Palestinians from there homes and did not let them return. If you are ok with this, then you are you saying that it’s ok for me to come over to your house, throw you and your family out on the street, take over your house and them blame Texas for not taking you in. Ridiculous!

          How can the Jews in Israel be God Chosen when the they don’t believe in God (Jesus)! How hard is this to understand. Right now you have about only 20,000 who profess to believe in Christ (Messianic Jews). You do know that the Rabbinic Judaism which is the prevailing religious belief system in Israel hates Christ. Their “holy book” the Talmud where it says that Mary was impregnated by a Roman Soldier named Pantera and that Christ is a bastard burning in excrement in Hell. By the way, the Jews lost their rights to the Holy Lands by committing a little crime called Decide, ever hear of it. Let me refresh your memory from the Scriptures.

          “And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and upon our children.” (Mt. 27:25)

          Not until the come into the true Catholic Church can this curse be lifted.

          Lastly, did you watch my 5 minute video of the Israeli Palestine Basics. I want to know what you think about it.

        2. You said it very well. If the Palestinians were such great, educated people then the surrounding Muslim countries would gladly take them in. Instead they have left them alone to fight an unwarranted fight. They are only hurting themselves.

      1. William George Norris

        Thanks for posting Carlos. This is a very good video to show how people lie about other in order to whip up propaganda. I just watched this last week.

  4. I can’t stand Stansbury, but in this case, standing down to sign any kind of resolution taking any side concerning this conflict is the stand to take~it just escalates the anger and violence here and there. The rulers of both Israel and Gaza are manipulating and are being manipulated into the horrendous outcomes involving citizen deaths and torture. There is a comment I read that says it all:
    “Hamas is not the Palestinian people; Netanyahu is not the Israeli people. An eye for an eye is making the whole world blind, that’s why people can no longer see.”

  5. William George Norris

    I’ll debate any Christian Zionist any time, anywhere on why the State of Israel should not exist and you will LOSE every time!

  6. There are plenty of Arabs living in Israel. Israel has members of its Arab community who are members of its parliament. According to Wikipedia, Islam is the second-largest religion in Israel, constituting 1.707 million and around 18.1% of the country’s population as of 2022. How many Jews live in Gaza?

    Hamas in Gaza is a racist jihadist anti-western anti-Israeli anti-Semitic, anti-LGBT, hate-filled pro-murder, pro-theft, pro-rape regime. There is no excuse for any legislator to back the racist beliefs of Hamas.

    Melanie Stansbury is obviously pro-LGBT, yet somehow can’t bring herself to recognize the obvious inconsistencies present in her belief system.

  7. Not surprised. After watching her at the Biden Impeachment Inquiry, she is a stupid, ignorant Leftist…but I repeat myself. And seeing some of the remarks above, she is not alone. Israel has been God’s chosen people…3300 years, and the Cult of Islam with its genocidal, murderous, pedophile ‘prophet’ should be wiped off the face of the Earth, starting with Gaza. Unless you enjoy decapitating babies, raping wives and daughters, and murdering husbands and – oh yes – SLAVERY.

    1. William George Norris

      God’s chosen really? What about that little curse of Deicide that the Jews inherited with they killed Christ that resounds till today

      “And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and upon our children.” (Mt. 27:25)

      “But their senses were made dull. For, until this present day, the selfsame veil, in the reading of the old testament, remaineth not taken away (because in Christ it is made void). But even until this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.” (2 Cor. 3:14-15)

      And how about the other scriptures that condemn them. This is the Word of God

      “(The Jews) Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and the prophets, and have persecuted us, and please not God, and are adversaries to all men;” (1 Thes. 2:15)

      “Serving the Lord with all humility, and with tears, and temptations which befell me by the conspiracies of the Jews;” (Acts 20:19)

      TIJERANDY, so the Jews you see bobbing their heads at the Wailing Wall, are they invoking Christ when they are praying? Or how about their “holy book” the Talmud where it says that Mary was impregnated by a Roman Soldier named Pantera and that Christ is a bastard burning in excrement in Hell.

      God’s Chosen? I don’ t think so. God’s Chosen in the New Covenant Era are only good Catholics and the New Israel is the True Catholic Church. For your ONLY hope of Salvation Please visit

      1. Uhhhhh, no. Catholics are NOT God’s chosen! That is absolute blasphemy! I will give you 2 examples…John 3:16 and John 14:6. Matthew 18:6 should have served as a guide to the “good” Catholics, but yet it fell on deaf ears. And by praying to Mary, you are worshiping false idols as well and THAT is STRICTLY prohibited (Exodus 20:3-6). The only salvation is thru the blood of Christ…and that is available to ALL. Wow!

        1. William George Norris

          Mr. Thor.
          Let’s talk! All you do is quote the Bible but who gave us the Bible. Meaning, who decided what 27 books were inspired by God. Answer: the Catholic Church in around 400 AD in the Council of Hippo and the Council of Carthage. Before you had a codified New Testament Canon, who did the people go to for guidance? There was no Bible let alone a New Testament. THEY WENT TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!
          “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” (2 Thes. 2:14)
          You quote from a Bible that the Catholic Church gave you. Here’s the next question: “Are you infallible?” Obviously you’re not, so why then, should I listen to anything you have to say because by your own admission you and your pastor could be wrong about everything you believe? And you have no way to know the truth with any certainty. And you cannot say with any certainty whatsoever that what I believe is wrong or right.”
          When it comes to praying to Mary: She intercedes for us to Jesus. If we worshiped her we would be idolaters. Christ also has mediators in heaven: Mary, the saints, and the angels. They mediate
          between men and Christ, and Christ in turn is the one mediator before the Father. We
          read of saints and angels in heaven bringing the prayers of men on earth. God transported
          St. John to heaven where John saw saints in heaven bringing the prayers before Jesus, the
          Lamb. “And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures, and the four and
          twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden
          vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.” (Apoc. 5:8)

          Many times God sends angels, Mary, and other saints to earth to assist men, to intercede and mediate for them before Jesus Christ. If Jesus had ordained that men must go directly to Him, then He would be contradicting Himself for ordaining and fostering this intercession and
          mediation of the angels and the saints between men and Christ.

          Mr. Thor, I say this with the utmost humility. For your ONLY hope of Salvation Please visit

        2. You are right….any and all who repent of their sins and put their trust in Jesus will be saved. It isn’t reserved for a name on a church building. Saul was a Jew who repented (and became Paul) and witnessed to other Jews and then to Gentiles. That’s what the Great Commission is all about….spreading the Gospel to all nations.

          1. William George Norris

            Wade you’re right, the church is not a building. It’s about the faith! And the One True Faith is the Catholic Faith. It has four unique marks that no other Christian Church can claim. One. Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. One because it is one doctrine of Faith and Morals. Holy because it was founded by Jesus Christ. Catholic because it has been spread out universally and Apostolic because it’s the ONLY Christian faith that has direct link to the apostles as far as the faith goes. In other words, I can give you names and dates of people who held the Catholic Faith in the 100’s 200’s, 300’s, 400’s up until today.
            “One Lord, one faith, one baptism.” (Eph. 4:5)
            Christ that he would be with his One Church (Faith) until the end of time.
            “Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.” (Mt. 28:19-20)
            Wade, For your ONLY hope of Salvation please visit

        3. William George Norris

          Oh yes they are Mr Thor. It is the only Christian Church with four distinctive marks. One. Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. One because it is one doctrine of Faith and Morals. Holy because it was founded by Jesus Christ. Catholic because it has been spread universally and Apostolic because it’s the ONLY Christian faith that has direct link to the apostles as far as the faith goes. In other words, I can give you names and dates of people who held the Catholic Faith in the 100’s 200’s, 300’s, 400’s up until today.
          Repent and Convert Mr. Thor before its too late. For your ONLY hope of Salvation please visit

    2. Thank you for a voice of reason. You are correct the Jewish people are God’s CHOSEN people. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE to not sign the resolution CONDEMING the barbaric and vile acts of Hamas. It is a sad situation when people defend TERRORISTS who decapitate babies, rape women, murder innocent people and display their naked bodies for all to see. There is NO justification for this barbarism. If people think there is, then they are also barbaric.

      1. William George Norris

        Sorry Naomi,

        But the Jews lost that title when they killed Christ and inherited the curse of Deicide.

        “And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and upon our children.” (Mt. 27:25)

        I agree thee early Catholic Church was Jewish but they were faithful Jews because they accepted Christ as the Messiah.

        Naomi, do current day Jews in Israel accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah? According to Wikipedia, out of 9.364 million Israelis there are only between 10,000 and 20,000 Messianic Jews in Israel. That is .2% of the population (These are not true Christians because they are not true Catholics)

        The religious Jews in Israel HATE Jesus Christ! Like I said before their “holy book” the Talmud says that Mary was impregnated by a Roman Soldier named Pantera and that Christ is a bastard burning in excrement in Hell.

        Stop drinking the Israel Kool-Aid!

        Did you take 5 measly minutes to watch the FACTS about the Israeli Palestinian conflict? You will learn a lot and hopefully break the spell you are under.

        1. William George Norris

          Here is the man that the current day Jews are swooning over. Many religious leaders in Israel believe he could be the Moshiach (Messiah). His name is Rabbi Shlomo Yehudah Beeri also known as The Yanuka . They say that he is uniting all the different sects of the Jewish Rabbi’s. He’s like a Jewish Rainman. He knows all their “holy” books verbatim off of the and there are many volumes of these books. They claim he has done 5 public “miracles”.

          Here are some short interesting videos showing who he is. I think that you will be intrigued.

          The Yanuka Rav Shlomo Yehuda • Fascinating Documentation of His Life and Ways (English CC) (10:29 mins)

          The Yanuka- Torah Scholars Pay Homage to the Grandeur of His Torah and the Unity He Radiates to All (12:43 mins)

        2. It seems like you just like to argue and prove your own point. Did you read my reply to you from the Bible, Roman’s 11? It says, “God conclude them ALL, (Jews), in UNBELIEF, that He might have mercy upon ALL.”

          That means that the Jews DO NOT believe in Jesus because God has blinded their eyes to the truth of Jesus Christ and salvation through His death and resurrection.

          This is God’s sovereign plan to include EVERYONE in the world into His plan of salvation. The Jewish people are still God’s chosen people regardless of what you say or think. The Bible says in Revelation 14:1,
          “And Io, a Lamb stood on Mount Zion, and there were 144,000 standing with Him, have His Fathers name written across their foreheads.”

          The 144,000 in this verse refers to the 12 tribes of Isreal, each tribe with 12,000 people. These are God’s chosen people. However, not all of them will believe or be saved, but these will be saved.

          I’m sure you already know that Gaza is part of the land of Israel as given to them by God. Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians in 2005 believing this would appease them, but it did not. This is a spiritual battle, so it is really pointless to argue about it. God will have the final say against ALL countries who come against Israel.

          Please make sure you are ready when Jesus returns. Read Roman’s 10. God bless you!!!

        3. Do you know who killed Jesus? I did with my sin. Me and every other person who has ever been born….Jew and Gentile. Jesus came to pay the penalty for my sins….a debt I could never pay this side of Hell. “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Every one of us needs Jesus as our redeemer….Every Jew, every Catholic, every Baptist, every Methodist, every non-believer….all of us. There are Catholics who are saved and Catholics who are not. There are Baptists who are saved and Baptists who are not. Having my name on a church roll or entering a building and giving myself a name will not save me. Only the blood of Jesus can save me….I have to repent and put my whole trust and faith in Him.

  8. Crazy all the vitriol being spit here and not 1 of you is asking the absolute most simple question…WHAT do we “owe” them? Seriously. Our own country is in the crapper, but yet here we are more divided than ever over sand people killing each other. Jews do what for US citizens? Palestinians do what as well? The Fed Res (get some knowledge and dig deep into it and when the lightbulb comes on let me know (read Creature from Jekyll Island for starters)) is printing so much money that WE, yes, YOU and ME…Citizen TAXPAYER, are paying TRIPLE for almost everything, but yet here we are supporting more war. Like THAT will lower gas, grocery, utility, rent, and every other thing that we need to keep making money to pay taxes to keep the Military Industrial Complex chugging along and killing people in lands we will never go to. None of them deserve anything from Americans, but hey, Western Media will tell you if you don’t support “X” then you are a “_______”!! Well, I’m all of that and then so because I hate them all and I’ll unabashedly admit to it. Let them eradicate themselves…let TV propaganda show it…I’ll bring the popcorn. I just want $2 gasoline back…

  9. Thank you Mr. Norris for the excellent video which shows the history of the current Zionist State of Israel. Most people are uninformed about it because the Israeli propaganda machine is well supported. Sadly, many Christians read the Bible without seeing how the New Testament reveals what is concealed in the Old Testament. Those who believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and came to restore a fallen humanity so we might be able to spend eternity worshiping God and following are the TRUE Israel.

    People Google might satisfy their curiosity with: “How Religious are Israeli Jews?” From the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs
    How Religious are Israeli Jews?

      1. William George Norris

        Great video Hector! Thank you for posting it. it’s called Marching To Zion. It was done by a Protestant Pastor named Steve Anderson out of AZ. It is a masterpiece showing how the Jews are not God’s chosen people. I HIGHLY recommend ALL Christian Zionists to watch it.

  10. Pallys are parasites. It’s why none of their moslem “friends” want them in their countries. But these same moslems and “christians” sure do love them some Pallys when they can use them for cannon fodder and propaganda value for the low IQ people in this world.

  11. Finally sanity from people posting on this issue. Kudos to William George Norris , and Carlos Del Valle who’s knowledge and comments on this issue are spot on. While the mainstream media “graces “ us with nonstop propaganda about how evil the Palestinians are , the truth is coming to light from knowledgeable men and women on this site. Thank all of you and thank this site for allowing the truth to overcome the darkness.

  12. We should all pray for Israel….God’s chosen people! What happened to them last Saturday was a massacre of innocent civilians. As a Christian, and as a human, I can’t condemn those cowardly, vicious animals enough! I hope the IDF keeps bombing until every hamas terrorist is dead or rotting in a Jewish prison! Their only “cause” is to kill every Jew and infidel, and they tell the world that over and over, we just refuse to believe it. We’ll only believe it when it happens here….and if they get a chance it will.

  13. William George Norris

    Here are more verses from the Bible that clearly show that the current day Jews are NOT God’s Chosen people.

    “Know ye therefore, that they who are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham… For you are all the children of God by faith, in Christ Jesus.” (Gal. 3:7, 26)

    “That is to say, not they that are the children of the flesh [racial Jews], are the children of God; but they, that are the children of the promise [Catholics], are accounted for the seed.” (Rom. 9:8)

    “He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name.” (Jn. 1:11-12)

    “Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father, and the Son.” (1 Jn. 2:22)

  14. Maybe I can make a few comments that will help people on the sidelines understand the disagreement here between those of a Catholic persuasion and those of a non-Catholic Christian persuasion. There is no way I can word this that will satisfy everyone so if you want your point to prevail, have at it. Mr. Norris, please correct me if I misunderstand the Catholic position. It is difficult to characterize the beliefs of the non-Catholic Christian groups since there are so many of them and they have varying interpretations of the Bible, often incompatible.
    Studying this from a distance, dispassionately, can lead one to the conclusion that a part of this confusion has to do with the question, “Did the Church come out of the Bible or did the Bible come out of the Church”? This is where history is helpful.
    Non-Catholic Christians place a lot of emphasis on the Bible. Martin Luther was the first to popularize “sola scriptura”, the idea that the truths of Christianity spring from the Bible. A Catholic who really understood Catholicism (I have found very few) would point to the difficulty of that, given that printed bibles did not even exist until the fifteenth century and anything approaching universal literacy did not exist until the twentieth century. Christianity obviously existed for nearly fifteen centuries before that so it is at least a difficulty to propose that Christianity springs from the Bible.
    A Catholic (or a member of an Orthodox Church) would say that the Bible springs from the Church. A non-Catholic Christian would hold that the Church grows out of the Bible. This sort of suggests that the Bible predates the establishment of the Church, which is very true when discussing the non-Catholic churches.
    One way I approached this question was to study exactly who the heck it was that told us that “this book will be in the New Testament and that one won’t”. I’ve never met or read any flavor of Christian that would assert that Jesus of Nazareth told anyone what to include in the Bible, so I deduced that there must have been some mechanism following His death that assured all of us what books comprised the Bible.
    Catholics (and Orthodox), if they know their religion, do not believe that they are privately able to interpret the Bible. They turn to the Church (which predates the Bible by nearly four centuries) when they have a question. The non-Catholic Christian believes that he is guided by the Holy Spirit to interpret the Bible himself. Yes, he may rely on a Church, but he will choose which Church fits his private interpretation. He has thousands to choose from. And he can and will move from one to another as his private understanding changes. In the end, this is why you will see good non-Catholic Christians offering up their interpretations of the Bible and why those interpretations will differ one from another.
    Non-Catholic Christians will go so far as to assert that Catholics have “added books” to the Old Testament. My own examination of the books included in Bibles extant prior to 1517 reveal to me what books Christians believed to be part of the Bible in antiquity. This argument seems pretty easily settled.
    To some great extent (obviously not at all completely) these disagreements boil down to what good, well-meaning people on all sides believe to be authority. Catholics do not believe they are personally qualified to interpret the Bible and other Christians believe that, in the end, they are.
    As I say, I am just trying to help people “on the sidelines” cut through the confusion of competing interpretations like the ones we see here. A dollar to a donut says that someone will jump all over this admittedly brief and simple explanation. Have at it.

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